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                          Abduction Digest, Number 85

                          Thursday, February 4th 1993

     (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service.  All Rights Reserved.

Today's Topics:

                                    Ideas...
                           Abduction Investigation (2)
                             Re: Abduction Digest 81
                                  Delaware Talk
                             Re: Abduction Digest 81

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Gresser)
Subject: Ideas...
Date: 3 Feb 93 00:49:00 GMT


 > occurred to show this in progress.  I also noted that at times some of
 > the victims reported a fluid left behind but it often disappeared or
 > washed off and was not retrieved.

Considering the allegations regarding the conduct of these aliens, could we not
assume that what is left behind is semen, or even alien semen? If it is in fact
the alien equivilant of semen, THAT would be quite a catch!  We'd be able to
examine, if not them directly, thier genetic makeup (assuming they have one!)
and thier primary fluidic makeup (if not water or some water-like substance).
Do the descriptions of this fluid become in any way explicit?

Thanks,

Steve

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From: [e-mail] (David Jacobs)
Subject: Abduction Investigation (2)
Date: 3 Feb 93 06:42:06 GMT

Sheldon,
     Although it is impossible to tell exactly what has happened to this woman,
it does sound like she has been through the mill.  You have done  a good job in
obtaining some of the more dramatic and perhaps terrifying incidents in her
life that she consciously remembers.  My best guess is that there is probably
much more.  Her medical history is useful,  especially her ear and nose bleeds,
gynecological problems, and other  unusual medical sequelae.  Being sexually
abused probably mirrors the society and one must be very careful not to place
too much emphasis on this as a causative factor for the other events. What have
you decided  to do in the future?  Are you going forward with hypnosis?  Do you
have a competent hypnotist who thoroughly understands the abduction phenomenon?
  The woman might also need psychological counseling and a good therapist is
always essential in this regard.

     So far, you seem to be on top of the situation and I hope that the woman
can have a satisfactory resolution to her problems. Please keep me posted about
what is happening with her.  If you drop me a line, I might be able to send you
the name of a therapist or hypnotist in your area (if  there is anyone) who is
at least interested in the subject, if not expert  in it.

--
David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (David Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Abduction Digest 81
Date: 3 Feb 93 07:19:19 GMT


David,
 One does not enter into UFO or abduction research for the money. Anyone
who has been in it for any length of  time  will  tell  you  that.   The
amount  of  money  that  both  Budd  Hopkins  and  I  have have spent in
out-of-pocket expenses is enormous.  Until very recently there has  been
absolutely  no  funding  for any aspect of UFO research from established
funding  institutions.   This  is  a  "negative  cash   flow"   research
enterprise.  Having been involved with this for over twenty-seven years,
I  can absolutely tell you that only the naive and\or cynical think that
there is a living to be made in UFO research, Strieber  notwithstanding.


  I fail to understand why you find it curious that the only way you can
find out about UFOs or abductions is through books and  magazines.   UFO
researchers  have  had  the  normal  channels of scholarly communication
closed off to them from the beginning.  They have been forced  to  write
articles  for  periodicals  founded  for  that  purpose.  I am not sure,
however, exactly what your stance is.  Should we not write articles  and
books?   Should  we  keep  our information to ourselves and not share it
with other researchers?  Should we not attend UFO conferences  and  give
papers?   I  am  not  sure  what  you  have  in  mind,  or what you find
objectionable.


  Budd  and  I  have  written  four  books between us about the UFO  and
abduction   phenomenon.     It  is  an  effective  and  lasting  way  of
making the public aware of this most important of  all  phenomena.   The
Linda case is enormously complex.  Articles cannot do it justice, only a
full-length  book  will.  In spite of this, Budd has given various talks
about the case and published several articles about it.  I am not  going
to  get  into  a  long treatise about the Linda case.  Suffice it to say
that all researchers in the social  sciences  publish  books  and  write
articles about their work.  There is no difference with this area.  Both
Budd  and  I do our own hypnosis of abductees.  In my opinion, this is a
very difficult and specialized area of research.  I  know  that  I  find
myself  consulting  with  psychiatrists,  psychologists, clinical social
workers, and hypnotherapists from around the country on a regular basis.
Basically, they have someone whom they have been seeing who  tells  them
of abduction phenomena that has happened to them.  They are at a loss as
to  how  to  proceed  and  want to learn about the problems of abduction
research and therapy, the proper methods  of  hypnosis,  and  the  like.


  Budd  and  I along with John Carpenter have been  conducting workshops
for therapists for the same reasons (next one in Atlanta).  I have found
a wide spectrum of expertize and competence in this area and it does not
matter what the profession of the researcher or hypnotist is.   We  have
found  entirely incompetent psychiatrists and excellent hypnotherapists.
We have found inept psychologists and extremely helpful and sincere  UFO
researchers  who  want  to  help.   Thus  one's profession is not a good
predictor of how one will fare with this subject.


-- David Jacobs - via ParaNet  node  1:104/422
UUCP:   !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (David Jacobs)
Subject: Delaware Talk
Date: 3 Feb 93 07:28:04 GMT


   Trying  to  obtain  an  abduction  on  videotape  has  proved  to  be
frustrating. I and  other researchers have found the same problem: wires
pulled out,  camera turned  off,  power outage in the room or house, and
the like. The best idea that I  have  heard  so  far,  short  of  aiming
a  camera  into  unsuspecting  abductee's bedroom from a nearby house or
apartment, is to build a device in which a video camera  and\or  VCR  is
connected to  a pressure plate underneath one's mattress.  When a person
gets  out  of  bed the  pressure  plate  completes  a  circuit  which is
attached to a five minute timer. After five minutes, the video camera is
turned on in  the record  mode. Thus we may not get the beginning of the
abduction but we may get the end.  There will be no electronic equipment
on  during  the abduction  phase, and if the person gets up to go to the
bathroom,  there  will  be  enough  time  to get  back  into bed without
tripping the camera.

--
David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (David Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Abduction Digest 81
Date: 3 Feb 93 07:19:19 GMT

David,
  One does  not enter  into UFO  or  abduction  research  for the money.
Anyone who has been in it for any length of time  will  tell  you  that.
The amount of money that  both  Budd Hopkins  and  I  have have spent in
out-of-pocket expenses is enormous.  Until very recently there has  been
absolutely  no  funding  for any aspect of UFO research from established
funding  institutions.   This  is  a  "negative  cash   flow"   research
enterprise.  Having been involved with this for over twenty-seven years,
I  can absolutely tell you that only the naive and\or cynical think that
there is a living to be made in UFO research, Strieber  notwithstanding.

   I  fail to  understand  why you find it curious that the only way you
can  find out about UFOs  or  abductions is through books and magazines.
UFO researchers have had the normal  channels of scholarly communication
closed off to them from the beginning.  They have been forced  to  write
articles  for  periodicals  founded  for  that  purpose.  I am not sure,
however, exactly what your stance is.  Should we not write articles  and
books?   Should  we  keep  our information to ourselves and not share it
with other researchers?  Should we not attend UFO conferences  and  give
papers?

   I am not sure what you have in mind,  or what you find objectionable.

   Budd  and  I  have  written  four  books between us about the UFO and
abduction  phenomenon.  It is an effective and lasting way of making the
public aware of this most important of  all  phenomena.   The Linda case
is enormously complex. Articles cannot do it justice, only a full-length
book will. In spite of this, Budd has given various talks about the case
and published several articles about it.  I am not going to get  into  a
long  treatise  about  the  Linda  case. Suffice  it  to  say  that  all
researchers in the social  sciences  publish  books  and  write articles
about their work.  There is no difference with this area.  Both Budd and
I  do  our own  hypnosis  of  abductees.   In my opinion, this is a very
difficult  and  specialized  area  of  research.  I  know  that  I  find
myself  consulting  with  psychiatrists,  psychologists, clinical social
workers, and hypnotherapists from around the country on a regular basis.
Basically, they have someone whom they have been seeing who  tells  them
of abduction phenomena that has happened to them.  They are at a loss as
to  how  to  proceed  and  want to learn about the problems of abduction
research and therapy, the proper methods  of  hypnosis,  and  the  like.
Budd  and I along with John Carpenter have been conducting workshops for
therapists for the same reasons (next one in Atlanta).  I have  found  a
wide  spectrum  of expertize and competence in this area and it does not
matter what the profession of the researcher or hypnotist is.   We  have
found  entirely incompetent psychiatrists and excellent hypnotherapists.
We have found inept psychologists and extremely helpful and sincere  UFO
researchers  who  want  to  help.   Thus  one's profession is not a good
predictor of how one will fare with this subject.


-- David Jacobs - via ParaNet  node  1:104/422
UUCP:   !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: [e-mail]

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